16lbs boost

[SpunkyDrifter]

I was talking with one of my buddys n he said that if i want to boost my car 16 to 17lbs with stock internals, all i would need is some evo 550 or 560cc injectors, no need to change anythign else.. is this tru? i believe him, but im just double checking with others!

[dsm430]

you cant just throw in a set of bigger injectors!, it will run like shit if it will run at all...
u need a way 2 tune like a safc, dsmlink, aem or maf-t

that being said, change your fuel filter, and i say its safe to 16-17, on stock 450s if car is properly maintained, dont beat on it like u hate it, good gas!!! u should at least get a pocket logger to watch for knock!

good luck

[HANZwitA93]

if you putting 550s in just throw a 2g mas on while your at it,
then you really wont have to tune....thats what i did

[stevegsx]

fuck that shit do it right or dont do it at all y just strat putting shit in with out the right tuning

[2fst-gst]

if you putting 550s in just throw a 2g mas on while your at it,
then you really wont have to tune....thats what i did

I am not a 1g guy.


But how in the world does installing a 2g MAS compensate for the 22.22 percent increase that the 550's have over the 450's.:confused:

If you are thinking about doing something like this without a datalogger or tuning solution of some sort......DON'T

There is no performance to be had by putting in larger injectors and upping the boost without an engine management tool.

Think about it guys, spend your money in other places until you are ready for injectors, etc.

[idkiliketurbos]

And wouldn't the stock fuel pump be out-run before the injectors would on a 14b?

[2fst-gst]

And wouldn't the stock fuel pump be out-run before the injectors would on a 14b?

Yes.

There is more performance to be had by freeing up the exhaust and intake, and if (key word) you have an engine management tool such as ecmlink you can lean it out a touch.

[Aemeth]

fuck that shit do it right or dont do it at all y just strat putting shit in with out the right tuning

Im going to assume that if he is asking this kind of stuff he is new to dsm's and more than likely new to turbocharged applications. I am also going to assume that he doesnt know whats 'right'
Maybe instead of swearing at him and spewing vague demands you could point him in the right direction?

Anyway, to the OP. What does your budget look like and what are your goals for this car?
If you just want cheap hp from turning up the boost while risking blowing your car up, continue on the path your on. otherwise give us a budget and we'll go from there

[SpunkyDrifter]

Im going to assume that if he is asking this kind of stuff he is new to dsm's and more than likely new to turbocharged applications. I am also going to assume that he doesnt know whats 'right'
Maybe instead of swearing at him and spewing vague demands you could point him in the right direction?

Anyway, to the OP. What does your budget look like and what are your goals for this car?
If you just want cheap hp from turning up the boost while risking blowing your car up, continue on the path your on. otherwise give us a budget and we'll go from there

thank you lol, i am new.. ive only been dealing with this stuff for about 4 to 5 months and this is my frist time messing with the turbo.. but i want to safly run 16 or 17 lbs of boost. thats all for now,, n for buget im alil low jus like the ecomony haha so if it can stay on the cheap side, i would be more happy!

[Travis(TSI)]

y don't u just run it at 15lbs? I have stock 14b 450cc 255 fuel pump and that's about it I run my tsi at 15psi and it runs great if u wanna go bigger then take every1s advice and do it the right way and I really don't think its gunna be cheap. Just start savin up gettin parts here and there then over time u can start ur project. Or do whatever u want

[stevegsx]

Im going to assume that if he is asking this kind of stuff he is new to dsm's and more than likely new to turbocharged applications. I am also going to assume that he doesnt know whats 'right'
Maybe instead of swearing at him and spewing vague demands you could point him in the right direction?

Anyway, to the OP. What does your budget look like and what are your goals for this car?
If you just want cheap hp from turning up the boost while risking blowing your car up, continue on the path your on. otherwise give us a budget and we'll go from there

i was point my comment more at hanz of what he said not to this guy.

[HANZwitA93]

fuck that shit do it right or dont do it at all y just strat putting shit in with out the right tuning

it works just fine, i dont get duel cut any more. my dsm is my dd, i have not had any problems with it

[HANZwitA93]

trust me, ive read up on it. i dont just throw shit on my car without knowing any consequences.
and yes i have 550s, stock pump

[HANZwitA93]

I am not a 1g guy.


But how in the world does installing a 2g MAS compensate for the 22.22 percent increase that the 550's have over the 450's.:confused:

If you are thinking about doing something like this without a datalogger or tuning solution of some sort......DON'T

There is no performance to be had by putting in larger injectors and upping the boost without an engine management tool.

Think about it guys, spend your money in other places until you are ready for injectors, etc.
ive read up on it, im fine....even look in laserj's thread for selling his laser, i asked him about the 2g mas on there
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Not really with 550 injectors. They compensate each other nicely. The car does have a Black SAFCII which included to buyer.

ask northsydryd, he can feel the difference that the 2g mas, hard intake pipe, and injectors and upping boost a bit made. he can tell everyone it runs just fine, stonedracer can tell you it runs fine. if it didnt i wouldnt have gotten to rapids the other week, be able to do my job, and get to school.

im not trying to be a dick to anyone but im am sick of people saying i fucked up. it gets annoying explaining it over and over.

go head to anyone that wants to talk shit, you will be ignored. my point, MY CAR RUNS JUST FINE

[2fst-gst]

Hanz, I am not calling you out, I am more interested in how the 2g mas is actually doing this compensation.

Can you post a log, or a link to the places you've read up on it.

[stageberg]

idk how it does it but it works just fine with 550's and 2g maf with no knock at 17lbs in fact with the 2g maf and my safc i had to turn it to -1 for air flow on low throttle to not run rich idk how it does it but a 2g maf and 550's is the best CHEAP way to run 16lbs NOT THE RIGHT way but best and i would invest in a datalogger to make sure its not hitting knock...( i have laserj's old car and thats how i got it dont no how it did it but it worked fine... just slapping 550's on you wont be able to hit boost it will flood out... we tried on crossbreeds car and it does not work

[stageberg]

I am not a 1g guy.


But how in the world does installing a 2g MAS compensate for the 22.22 percent increase that the 550's have over the 450's.:confused:

If you are thinking about doing something like this without a datalogger or tuning solution of some sort......DON'T

There is no performance to be had by putting in larger injectors and upping the boost without an engine management tool.

Think about it guys, spend your money in other places until you are ready for injectors, etc.


i see your point but idk were the 22.22 percent comes cuz im running 750cc injectors on safc with only -18percent airflow and thats a lil rich but -19 is just about perfect with 26lbs and no knock but i run 23 to be safe (its on a 14b) i dont no how it works but the 2g maf does it but i think its cuz the 2gs have higher sensitivy i think i read that somewhere anyway u have to have at least a 2g maf to run anything bigger for injectors with out knock

[jakea]

I would argue that a $100 2g mas, $200 safc, $120 injectors, and a $90 255 won't run as well, or even be much quicker than DSMlink with a mbc that is tuned RIGHT. Not this herp derp make a cute mountain on the timing and fuel tables "tuning" I've seen on Tuners/in person.

[HANZwitA93]

Hanz, I am not calling you out, I am more interested in how the 2g mas is actually doing this compensation.

Can you post a log, or a link to the places you've read up on it.

yea i wasnt trying to get on any ones bad side, sorry
ill try and find some

[HANZwitA93]

I would argue that a $100 2g mas, $200 safc, $120 injectors, and a $90 255 won't run as well, or even be much quicker than DSMlink with a mbc that is tuned RIGHT. Not this herp derp make a cute mountain on the timing and fuel tables "tuning" I've seen on Tuners/in person.

free 2g mas, 75 is all i paid for the 550s and they were brand new, stock pump.
i will agree with people that yes i could use a tune but it runs fine as is.
im waiting on someone to get back to me on a safc2 and get that in over winter along with a few other things

[Integra 26R]

Herp derp?


Its because the 2g mas flows more air then the 1g mas but both sensors run based on 5 volts. So at the same airflow the 2g mas is going to be sending slightly less volts back to the ecu.

[jakea]

free 2g mas, 75 is all i paid for the 550s and they were brand new, stock pump.
i will agree with people that yes i could use a tune but it runs fine as is.
im waiting on someone to get back to me on a safc2 and get that in over winter along with a few other things

fine is subjective. If you are happy with it, that is ok.
I, and others, want the most from our money/time/work. Fine to me is nearly no deadspots, knock, nearly perfect AFR, aggressive timing.
Thing is that there is no such thing as a perfect tune;)

[HANZwitA93]

i think that if something was gonna let loose, it would have by now.

[jakea]

then fine means it runs and gets from A to B?Understandable

I have trouble sleeping at night if I knew there was a few degrees left of timing to be had on my tune(s)

[all_rice]

and youll be loosing even more sleep when you go to far and pop it.

[jakea]

thats the fun of it. but 4g63s are as cheap as it gets

[2fst-gst]

To the OP, sorry this got out of hand a bit.....

but to answer your question; you can apparently run 550s with a 2g mas

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I only say apparently because there seems to be a few people running it already, but there are no logs, etc. to show the effects, whether positive or negative.

I wouldn't recommend it without a logger/wb/tuning device, just my 2 pennies worth

[northsydryd]

hes gonna need that 2 pennies when it blows up.hahaha.nah im kidding it seemed to run just fine,pulled hard through the gears with no hiccups or anything out of the normal.only thing wierd is his boost gauge,it read different psi depending on what gear hes in or so it seemed.i know it could have some hidden problems that you could see with logs but we wont know that till he gets a logger